did some TLC on the jeep

So it's official, Kyle's new nickname is "beefcake"  
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1975 Scout II XLC Built with used parts
1999 Diesel powered F250 Superduty Lariat

"glenddddddddaaaaaaallllleeee!!!!!!!" (04-Z71)

that would be a nice upgrade for you..then we  can talk rubicon express  
1999 jeep xj,and o so much to do

you fruitcakes. LOL

My take on it is this - you get a ZJ, you still end up lifting it, converting to long-arms, and really should be changing your axle or beefing it up anyway.

So why not just weld on a  couple of leaf spring mounts and put in a 44 under the truck?

you don't have to be a goof and go fancy coilover links like I did.. nice pair of leafs, keep it simple, and cheap.

jeep just can't take the abuse that a framed vehicle can. you can't yank someone out full force if they are stuck, and a good impact will tweak your whole unibody. meh, I like truck based vehicles..  

Its actually pretty amazing what the unibodies will takes especially with the frame stiffiners. look at the jeepspeed class and how crazy they beat those things.  yes they will eventually fall apart but it depends on what your doing with it.  the only time i see the unibody jeeps get tweaked is when people use improper tow points. the Wranglers are all framed.  starting with the TJs  they went to a full box frame.  
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02 TJ with lots of extra junk

"Respect my authority"  (cartman)

Yeah I wasn't talking about the wranglers, those have had a frame all along

I just remember reading a lot about different areas of unibody cracking after you wheel them for a while, and that the only fix was a full cage, but that's a lot of work...  

The weaknesses of the XJ and ZJ uni-body structures are well documented. That's why I called them disposable. You can't really prevent the problems, you just try to keep them fixed.

Rawkon - your terminology made me laugh - "frame stiffeners"  

Thanks for the info guys...Im not just looking for a SFA but for interior room and well...a new platform to start with. My current truck is weak because of IFS but has a fully boxed frame, I know the unibody vehicles are inferior as far as that goes. With my wheeling and risk taking, I doubt Ill do enough to tweek it. I was looking at rough country and they offer a nice 4" lift, that with 33's and Ill be happy. Again, still doing research...no decision yet. -Armor all beefcake man    
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2004 WJ-My Jeep talks to me

LOL you guys are farking funny!  

room, I hear you on that. I always liked SUV's. I'm loving my Durango

I'd get a WJ though. They look cooler and are newer, the 4.7 engine is pretty good because its used in a lot of the Dodge vehicles. I've seen lifted WJs and they look SICK

or there's always the other option of a Landcruiser

yes I like landcruisers. I'd buy one, but they are expensive...  

Ftgiles are your sure name isnt snoman???

oh and its not my terminology.  It is what every manufacturer calls it that makes them for the Xjs.  maybe you should read some more documentation or try the google search



these guys must be idiots... ill let them know there XJs are gonna fall apart so they will stop racing them




this jeep has been racing for YEARS
 
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02 TJ with lots of extra junk

"Respect my authority"  (cartman)

What's with the snoman comments?

I think it's funny anybody calls them frame stiffeners. There's no frame to stiffen. I even put a little smiley-face.

You should probably chill a bit and allow others the same freedom to voice an opinion as you allow yourself.

Remember your hood vent thread? Did they fix your overheating problem? Now who's opinion looks a little more informed? Remember the Fox stickers? Ya that was kind of weird!

And ask Jason where the thread is about torsion bar cranking? I guess he was a little embarassed, so he just deleted the whole thing.

Oh and by the way. I have an XJ that I try to keep going that sees a lot of rock-time here in Phoenix.  

ftgiles:

And ask Jason where the thread is about torsion bar cranking? I guess he was a little embarassed, so he just deleted the whole thing.


That one got moved when you started calling out the working Engineer, who happens to have a degree in Mechanical Engineering with an emphasis in Automotive. Yes, there is an "Automotive" Engineer who is a member of this forum and friend of ours. There was soo much BS floating around it didn't anybody any good.

Anyway... back to uni-bodies.  
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Sorry Jason, but that makes no sense. You deleted it because someone else looked liked an a$$?

Pretty sure you don't delete all the threads that have too much BS floating around in them.

The only BS was your contributions to the thread. Let what ever engineer you trust go through that thread, line by line, and have him post responses.

I didn't call out any engineer, only you. Put the thread back. Let it stand on its own! Don't let your pride be a learning disability.  

ftgiles:

The only BS was your contributions to the thread. Let what ever engineer you trust go through that thread, line by line, and have him post responses.



Here's the problem with your argument. He did. And he posted in the thread. And you quoted him and went on and on about how he was wrong. So now what?

By the way, you spend all this time calling me out, what are your credentials?  
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My truck has recently been described as both "Boring and Mechanical". And I love it!

Questions? Comments? Concerns? PM Me!

Put the thread back!

There are two ways to solve a force problem in physics. One way is to discover the moment arms, by accurately measuring or graphing and then solve using the Pythagorean theorem.

The other way, which is much easier and more commonly used is to use basic trig functions (sin,cos) to discover the moment arms for you using the relative angle between the force vector and the actual member.

Moment arms are not physical members that you can see if the angle of force is not perpendicular to the member. In this case moment arms are created in space.

I did not disagree with any moment arm comment. Put the thread back!

Remember, you started out by stating there was no working length change. That is wrong. And then went on an on about how things work based on the premise that there is no working length change. Then you try to say someone says we are both right. That's ridiculous. How could we both be right? Put the thread back!

Does spouting one's credentials make one's argument more correct? Can't the argument stand on its own? I did not "pull credentials" on you. I encouraged you to ask someone that you trust. I thought that was the respectful thing to do.  

ftgiles:

Does spouting one's credentials make one's argument more correct? Can't the argument stand on its own? I did not "pull credentials" on you. I encouraged you to ask someone that you trust. I thought that was the respectful thing to do.



Your entire argument was based on what an "automotive engineer" said in a letter to the editor. And have consistently questioned everything I said and have called into account my credibility, even here in this thread.

When I asked someone I trust, who works in the field, and they agreed with my point of view on the subject, you continue to dispute it.

I'll ask again, what are your credentials? Who are you to talk on the physics of how a suspension system works? If you don't have any either then we're just two schleps arguing about nothing.

So, engineering degree or just looking this stuff up on Wikipedia?

And I'm sorry, you've never once been remotely 'respectful'.  
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My truck has recently been described as both "Boring and Mechanical". And I love it!

Questions? Comments? Concerns? PM Me!